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Post by swanagedolphin on Jan 23, 2009 22:28:26 GMT
Well done to the majority of the Poole Town supporters at tonight's meeting - on the whole , mostly restrained , especially considering some of the irrelevant garbage being trotted out by some of the Branksome Nimby's present. The scary looking Tory woman in the purple top on the main table made herself look even more stupid by attempting to discredit us by trying to portray us as a bunch of Neanderthals , when in fact her cronies made far more inappropriate noise with their phoney laughter , a point well made by the Chairman , to his credit . Can I just nail my colours to the mast , and say that , as keen as I am for our Club to have a new home to carry on the current upward impetus , I'm afraid I personally don't feel that Branksome is the right place. Various reasons , Firstly that I don't ever want to be near that woman in the purple top again , ever in my life , secondly , I am now terrified of all the radioactive waste buried under the Rec , and that the building of a 2 metre wall could spark off a Chernobyl type disaster , but mainly that Canford Park , if the planning problems could be overcome , would have so many more advantages .
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Post by stfcinbmth on Jan 23, 2009 22:37:24 GMT
;DI spent my childhood at the Rec and it's the first time I've heard about this radio active waste Do you think I'm ok ?
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Post by sterteroad on Jan 23, 2009 22:46:09 GMT
As we were stood in the foyer afterwards, two seperate groups of Branksome residents came over and apologised for "that woman" (their words) and that we should look at a slander case. They were very friendly and just asked some simple, non-political or agenda questions, and seemed to be happy with our answers. They all seemed very impressed with our enthusiasm and PRIDE IN POOLE. I think "that lady" did herself and their arguement a lot of damage :-) Full marks to the Chief Exec of Poole Council for his comments and the way he and the other official conducted themselves. Floreat Dolphins
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Post by sterteroad on Jan 23, 2009 22:47:03 GMT
PS Where I grew up Ready Brek made you glow in the dark, not a park.
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Post by dorsetyellow on Jan 24, 2009 0:20:52 GMT
;DI spent my childhood at the Rec and it's the first time I've heard about this radio active waste Do you think I'm ok ? You might have grown up an Oxford fan, but instead the Rec turned you into a Swindon fan............I rest my case ;D In all seriousness, she has been digging around for bottles all these years (I think she said since the sixteen hundreds!!) and she is still here. I wish I had the mic and could have asked the lady in purple, when was the last time SHE used the Rec for recreational purposes? N I M B Y......She even said it at the end I was stood with sterte when the Rec supporters approached us. I was asked the same question twice tonight, politely - WHY DO POOLE TOWN HAVE TO MOVE? It may be that nobody has made it clear what our motives are for the move. When I explained, enclosing the ground was necessary for the next level, this was not possible at Tatnum, they seemed understanding that we are not trying to move just for fun........and why we need a 2m wall!
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Post by stfcinbmth on Jan 24, 2009 8:40:34 GMT
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Post by peterlep on Jan 24, 2009 9:56:39 GMT
Lots of valid comments above. Well done to Chris Reeves and the other Directors who have clearly put a lot of hard work in. The meeting was pretty much as I expected. Sounds like Branksome residents would be much happier with a decent bus service!
There are some valid concerns - of which parking will always be there - but that is a problem whether Poole locate there or not. There were very few people under 40 there which said a lot - there seemed to be no recognition of the benefits of the Poole proposal for the younger generation. I bet many of the protestors to our ground proposal are the same people complaining about the "youth of today" and all the anti-social behaviour. There was a clear lack of vision from the opposers.
It was only to be expected that at some point someone would throw the "football hooligan" card at us. I don't know if anyone else noticed but the first speaker - Jacqui Wilson - also intimated this by suggesting just because no-one had ever complained in the 44 years Chris referred to - this was because the British don't like to complain! Amazing logic.
I know the Board has put a huge amount of work in but in many ways I hope the ground at Bransome is rejected as these proposers don't deserve any improvements given their attitude. Let them keep their precious land - land they admit to being waterlogged and contaminated with a dlipaidated eyesore as the centrepiece!
We know Poole has a great following of visionaries and that we will be successful with the best location for us in the end.
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Post by parky on Jan 24, 2009 10:19:49 GMT
Hats off to Chris Reeves & the other directors for a good presentation, & also for keeping calm in the light of the most amazing statements the objectors were coming up with. I had a "discussion" with the " lady in purple" at the original open meeting last year,which was held at the Rec. And all she could spout then was about anti-social behaviour & the old chestnut of Football hooliganism, i tried as politely as possible to explain that the majority of our supporters are in their senior years & that myself at 44 was one the youngest down there Also, as Chris stated last evening, that we just dont have a problem with crowd trouble, considering at some home games their are more stewards than away fans !But would she listen,would she hell, that woman is just out to stir up trouble. I'm afraid i have to agree with Swanage,we have to try & bend the rules to get over to Canford Park.
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Post by dave2 on Jan 24, 2009 10:23:48 GMT
In response the the small numbers of banners at last nights meeting stating "Don't rec the rec" my reply to that is
"THE REC IS A WRECK"
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Post by m3dolphin on Jan 24, 2009 11:00:07 GMT
Well done To Chris Reeves, Steve Harvey, Rob Bayston and all for putting across a calm, clear vision of Branksome rec. I felt there were three parties present at the meeting last night - those For - those against - those out to score political points against the councilors.
As a traveling supporter who uses a car to get to games one thing was made very clear to me by the officials at the club, and that was the parking at Tatnam, I therefore use the designated parking and have never seen any parking problems at Tatnam. For what it's worth I've never seen any parking problem at any of the 60 plus non league grounds I've visited.
Good point about the age of the bulk of the protesters against BR being mainly above 60. This to me does not reflect the real attitude of the residents who would have a fair spread of young families living in the area.
Without malice - As for the lady's comments inferring football supporters were hooligans, I think the gentleman who chaired the meeting put her straight when he said words along the lines of - considering the feelings of such a proposal the meeting was conducted, on both sides, in a proper manner.
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Post by slepe12 on Jan 24, 2009 11:09:27 GMT
Mis-informed and hysterical, which now seems to have turned into a matter of honour. Thou shalt not improve the Rec, if you do we will have nothing to whinge about. Chris presented a very strong case for the project and if the protesters can't see the benefit to the community then it can only be pure obstinacy.
I'm not sure I want to be anywhere near people with such a blinkered vision. I am worried this move might affect the very pleasant atmosphere we currently enjoy. We should think about what we have at the moment. Is Branksome worth it?
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Post by stfcinbmth on Jan 24, 2009 12:06:58 GMT
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Post by Bay Dolphin on Jan 24, 2009 13:19:13 GMT
Sounds like it went pretty well for us, so thanks to all those able to attend and do their bit for the town (that's town in both senses!).
Thanks for the link stcf, I've posted another comment. I spent my childhood in and around the rec too but I suspect I'm a bit older than you. Why Swindon, by the way? Apologies if you've already told us or don't wish to.
As for Canford swanagedolphin, I thought there were reasons why that's never going to be an option but I don't know what they are.
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Post by wellsworld on Jan 24, 2009 13:25:46 GMT
My thoughts - they were a bunch of sad old nimbies. I think the ground could very well get the go-ahead at Branksome, the council seem very keen and the arguments against were poor & emotional. My view? I strongly feel the stadium would be perfect for everyone and should be explored again just to be SURE nothing can be done, failing that I would prefer Canford Arena to Branksome. Branksome doesn't really feel like Poole to me, as displayed by the people there last night. But if it really is the only option (as I suspect) then it has to be done I guess.
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Post by sterteroad on Jan 24, 2009 16:09:22 GMT
Me as well. Notice that nja thinks that nimby is slanderous!!
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Post by slepe12 on Jan 24, 2009 19:17:24 GMT
What's the next step for the Branksome project?
Planning meeting? Do we know when?
If it goes against us, what next?
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Post by Steve Bean on Jan 24, 2009 19:49:11 GMT
Have to agree with all the comments on here so far regarding last night's meeting. Delighted at turn out of Poole Town supporters. Really made you proud to be part of such a Club. I think the Club will be pretty pleased with the way the meeting went. The final comment from the opposition saying that the Poole Town supporters had behaved disgracefully and that this is what residents could expect was nothing short of scandalous. To say that if we behaved like that at a meeting what would we be like at a football stadium just added to the blunder. You could visibly see the anti brigade's heads go down when she said it - it was perhaps the biggest own goal they could have made and for it to come from one of their selected' representatives on the stage just made it even worse. I was there with my wife, 4 year old son, mum, step-dad and uncle and I personally took offence at her comments. It was not, and will not, be lost on the Council either. Some of the other rubbish trotted out by the anti brigade just showed how desperate they are. - Comparing us to Everton (as BH12 mentioned above) was laughable. But some of these people do GENUINELY believe we plan to build Old Trafford! Because that's what they see on the TV. - There was some ridiculous attempts to discredit the Directors of the Club. Questioning the finances of the Football Club was a major mistake - it's probably one of very few that operates totally in the black. - Asking how many of the Directors live within one mile of Branksome Rec?? IRRELEVANT!!!!! What the hell has that got to do with anything???!!! I was born and bred in Poole but live in Verwood now - does that mean I can't support the Club??? I'm afraid they have picked on the wrong people by having a go at the Directors - a more loyal, passionate and honest group you will not find. - Going to great lengths to tell us all how THEY could apply for lottery funding and do everything that the Club plans to do themselves? Yeah??? So why haven't they done it then?? Why have they sat by and watched the Rec (Wreck?) descend to the slum it is for the last 30 odd years then? This point brilliantly put down by Rob Bayston. - Chris repeated at least THREE times that the Poole Town average gate is 206. That's a fact. Despite that, Mr Eades cleverly chipped in with "Yes - but against Wimborne you could possibly get 500!" - Yes Mr Eades, it's an AVERAGE!!!! And sometimes we get less than 100. That's how averages work................ And on and on it went. Pretty positive outcome for the Club I believe................
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Post by stfcinbmth on Jan 24, 2009 19:56:47 GMT
Sounds like it went pretty well for us, so thanks to all those able to attend and do their bit for the town (that's town in both senses!). Thanks for the link stcf, I've posted another comment. I spent my childhood in and around the rec too but I suspect I'm a bit older than you. Why Swindon, by the way? Apologies if you've already told us or don't wish to. As for Canford swanagedolphin, I thought there were reasons why that's never going to be an option but I don't know what they are. Swindon because my grandad used to take me when I was around seven years old. One of my outstanding memories was practising how to say Sampdoria as we were going to see them play Swindon in the old Anglo-Italian cup. Bless him, bringing a tear to my eye now
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Post by stfcinbmth on Jan 24, 2009 21:05:20 GMT
;DJust to add my dear mum living in Gwynne Road was a touch gutted when I told her today that the meeting was last night, she thought it was next week. I think she would have been down there and bought a Poole Town hat, and yes she has seen the odd game at the Tatnum
One of the dissenters, turned up on the doorstep one time, bringing up the problem of parking and dear mother suggested Heatherlands Infants School, similar arrangement to what we have now, upon which the dissenter brought up the subject of paedophiles infiltrating the school. Hello, schools full of kids are not open at weekends or evenings.
That's the sort of people we are dealing with folks. I kid you not
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Post by seldown lad on Jan 25, 2009 10:55:42 GMT
I thought the Parkstone cricket club manager gave one of the most passionate comments of the night. I think the plight of young people has been totally over looked. Councillor Eades should be ashamed that as the elected representative for Branksome his own son plays for Branksome united but does not play on the rec because of the poor facilities and condition of the pitches. The section of the community at the meeting should be aware that Rossmore community college only last week had more percentage of students playing truant than were actually at school achieving the national minimun target grade. With a constructive partnership with PTFC. young people would participate in supervised and structured activities that would benefit the whole community.
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Post by sterteroad on Jan 25, 2009 20:54:52 GMT
I have nephews and a niece that live in Branksome, they will not go to the Rec any more as it is not a place to be at night.
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Post by cookiemonster on Jan 26, 2009 9:13:05 GMT
Well on another point about the Rec. Marlane will not walk her dogs on that field let alone take the children she looks after there, and she says she can't believe that any parent lets their kids play there with all the dog muck and god knows what else on the field, and wonders if the parents have any idea of the health risks they are putting their kids in.
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Post by sterteroad on Jan 26, 2009 10:31:57 GMT
I have just e-mailed John McBride and Clive Smith at Poole Council to thank them for the way they conducted themselves on Friday night. :-)
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Post by Bay Dolphin on Jan 26, 2009 11:52:40 GMT
That's high on the list of reasons for following a football team stfc. Probably only second to birthplace! So, up the Robins! I used to live in Douglas Road and went to Martin Road Primary School.
It does appear that the Stadium and Canford are non-starters, so Slepe12 is right to ask the question 'what next?' I presume that the planning committee of the council consider it at their next meeting, approve it and then it goes to the next meeting of the full council for ratification. And then a timetable for the project is worked out by the club, any funding support bodies (e.g. F.A.) and contractors.........
Is that right?
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Post by Bay Dolphin on Jan 26, 2009 12:16:22 GMT
All the back page news here is about Sainsbury's buying the Shrimps' (Morecambe) ground for millions and them moving to a new stadium with the full support of the local council! Quite soon too! I can remember when the Dolphins were higher up in the football world than the Shrimps in the days when we were in the SPL and they in the NPL Div 1! If anyone bought Tatnam we'd be out on our ears1 The morecambedolphin is pleased and I'm dead jealous but our day will come!
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Post by sterteroad on Jan 26, 2009 13:00:05 GMT
Brian, the board have plans and dates I believe
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Post by mattyneth on Jan 26, 2009 13:37:00 GMT
In terms of what next the leader of the council mentioned that if the club submit an application then there will be 4 planning meetings before a vote is held by the council. I suppose realistically we are looking at the autumn for a vote?
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Post by dave2 on Jan 31, 2009 14:56:00 GMT
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