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Post by Marc on Jul 26, 2004 13:24:24 GMT
I know KJ comes on here so I wonder if he can answer a question.
It seems the first team have friendlies on Tuesday and Friday.
And the reserves have one on saturday so would it be wrong to presume that the reserve friendly will become a "Club Friendly" and we'll be taking all the first team players who didnt get much match time against Dorch & Weymouth Plus some of the reserves. Which means some reserves and trialist for the reserve team wont be playing in what was a reserve team fixture fixture.
I dont want to put a sour note on things so early in the season but Im sure im not the only one who thinks, that as a completely new squad The reserve team need as many if not more games than the first team. And as things stand they dont have enough fixtures before their season starts. And the fixtures they do have first team players are taking away the place of reserve team players or trialists for the reserve team which means when their season starts some of them wouldnt have had 90 mins under their belts and just as importantly KJ wont be able to judge who is best eleven is or is best tactics.
Anybody has any thoughts or am I completely wrong ?
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Post by Kevin Jackson on Jul 26, 2004 18:02:38 GMT
Marc.....Preseason friendlies have been arranged for the Res and start properly nexr week with Cobham Sports Res at home ko 7.30pm, Tues 3 Aug.
Melksham Town are in the Screwfix Premier League and my mate is the manager and we arranged a game....but i will be only taking about 6-7 16 year olds for this game however Tommy will be giving me about 7-8 players so this will be a great tester for our young players who will start this fixture.
However Tom has been impressed with a number of lads, ie Carl Chivers(16), Johnny Byron(16), Dave Sturgess(16), Paul Baystone(16) these may figure in Tues and Fridays fixture.........so i already have an idea who my side is plus what tom retains for his squad from the trialists.
Also the game versus Exeter City at home, will be all under 18 year olds, this is on Tues 10 Aug.
Marc we have our own reserve section with our fixtures which will feature the reserve players.
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Post by Marc on Jul 26, 2004 18:46:38 GMT
Thanks for your reply Kevin
So basically you have 3 Proper friendlies then, bearing in mind over half your team will be first teamers on Saturday. And the game vs Exeter will be under 18's only.
Due you plan to get any more matches lined up?
I know the essence of the reserves is on youth but last season a few talented players around 22 23 had to leave the club beacuse there wasnt anywhere to try them out due to not having a reserve team. Now it seems like the same will happen again because the reserves only play 16-19 year olds. Im bit concerned because a reserve team should be develeping youngsters but also providing a back up to the first team. Great that we are giving all the youngsters a chance but how many of them you mentioned 5 or so could step into the first team and perform. Its bit concerning that our reserve team seems exclusive to 16-19 year olds. Taking into account the division they'll be playing in. Surely week in week out your going to need some older heads. Wimborne have done it this way and been very successful as have Poole Borough reserves.
Am I barking up the wrong tree Kevin
Thanks
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Post by Mark T on Jul 26, 2004 19:40:27 GMT
Interesting Points......
I think apperently the reserves wont be judged on results just the development of the youngsters. Even if thats the case surely there will be a need for a few experienced players to be playing every week to help the youngsters develope. Im sure Kevin is looking to add a few older players to the squad.
If however the job of the reserve team is to develope youngsters and get them as close to the first team as possible as in PBFC'S Case and WTFC'S Case. Then its imperitive that the team is well balanced for its progression. I personally feel that the most important thing for a reserve team is to provide competion for places within the squad and to make sure we have as many players capable of playing at the highest possible level as possible. To do this the Reserve team needs to be as close to the first team in standard as possible.
I think to do this you need a blend of youth and players with experience at DSL DPL level etc. Either that or have a bunch of extremley talented players regardless of their age. And to be honest I dont think we have 14 16-18 year olds of the ability to go onto the DPL by themselves. I think if were honest if we did they wouldnt be with us now.
Just My Opinion
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Post by Doug on Jul 26, 2004 22:05:48 GMT
I got a bit annoyed when I read all the uninformed speculation on the Dorset Football Forum as to the motives for (and potential ability of) our reserves.
Now our own supporters seem to be at it!
A reminder that we can't now sign other Wessex League players to play the odd game for us when we have injuries, suspensions and other unavailabilities. Hence the urgency to get a reserve team up and running.
We are just one club, however. We can just be thinking in terms of what's in the best interest of the reserves.
Also, the converse of a few first-team players appearing in what are officially "reserve team" friendlies is that plenty of "reserves" have appeared already in the two "first-team" friendlies. I think Kevin already had a fair idea about the abilities of most of his younger players - now Tom does too. If you see the Pitchside.net interview, he's already considering whether he really needs any further cover up front for Anthony Warrington. My understanding is that Tom is thinking of only taking 14 players to first team games (plus him & his assistant named as the other two subs). That should leave some players over to bolster the core of young players in the reserve team each week - I hope they'll be prepared to help develop the younger players, whilst also playing for their first team places.
Anyway, I'm more than happy to let Kevin and Tom get on with it, working out together what's in the best interests of the club overall. Melksham are a decent Western league team (in the division above Willand, and we know what they did to a decent Poole Town first team!).
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Post by Marc on Jul 26, 2004 22:41:56 GMT
Doug I think your being a bit harsh.
Im not having a dig at my own club only asking questions. Is that not allowed?
This thread was started by me asking if the reserves shouldnt have a few more reserve team fixtures to help mould the team formation, tactics, staff and morale. Is that out of order? I think its reasonable.
Then it progressed to whether the reserves should be playing a few senior players in the reserves or not.
As I dont know ( & you havent stated) what the actual directive is for the reserve team I cant give my opinion but the other Mark Speculated on two sceanarios and I agree with him.
From the start every one has been going on about the reserves just being for youngsters no-one until you, said that it would be mixed squad. With this in mind I dont think any post on here has been out of place.
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Post by Doug on Jul 27, 2004 13:38:13 GMT
Marc et al
Reading my post again, I agree that the first two sentences are a bit OTT - apologies.
Doug
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Post by kevin jackson on Jul 29, 2004 11:06:03 GMT
Marc, i take your point about older players, the situation we have at the moment is that 5-6 of the younger players have already been involved in 1st team fixtures and i believe as tom agrees's "if there good enough there old enough"....take for instance Carl Chivers he has made 2 appearances for the first team and everybody is talking about him not only in the club, i have had other inquiries from Wessex clubs.....Lee Mitchener came here as the res keeper and has also played in goal for the first team just recently against Dorchester and made 3 -4 excellent saves.. this lad is just 18, also Dave Sturgess made a second half apprearance against Salisbury played centre of midfield, we havn't seen Jonny Byrom yet another 16 year old who was offered wessex football this year, Paul Baystone.......Dave Linton made aa ppearance against Dorchester second half, beleive me i know these lads can handle DSL.
Im about to sign a 19 year old, who has just return to england after representing his Home country in an under 21 Youth World Cup qualifying match. This player has got to be looking for first team football. He will be playing at Melksham on Saturday and again next Tues versus Cobham Sports.
My standards are very high and if the lads are not quite ready then they either play for the u18s or leave, they are all aware of that.
There will be also Tom's squad players playing with the younger players.
But also remember as at all clubs senior players may feel that they wish to move on if they are not in the 1st team...
also i have another three friendlies during aug which will see the Res playing 7-8 games.
I hope this helps, im always answer anyones questions....keep supporting.... you are as important as are the players.....
KJ
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Post by Lee Atkins on Jul 30, 2004 10:18:17 GMT
I think that you have a reserve team capable of life in the DSL without a doubt.
I was dissapointed to see that after talking to Kevin about all the rumours concerning PBFC ResV PTFC Res, that more than 2 1st teamers were played against PBFC. This is now history, now i sincerely wish Poole Town reserves all the very best for the coming season, you have a goob bunch of young lads there, i hope they progress well for Poole Town FC.
Lee Atkins.
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Post by parent on Aug 1, 2004 18:07:17 GMT
i went to the game at Melksham and i must say our young men did us proud.......i dont know what Kevin said to them at half time but they certainly came out all guns blazing. However I will say i was a little concerned to hear people talking about Kevin Jackson implying they were going to ask him to manage there club. People only had good things to say about him I hope we dont loose him because my son talks about him all the time... By this display i know he has no hesitation in playing young players at a high standard.
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Post by pooletownfcnet on Aug 2, 2004 8:29:10 GMT
What was the score against Melksham?
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Post by Steve B on Aug 2, 2004 10:45:31 GMT
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Post by Marc on Aug 2, 2004 19:59:53 GMT
Anyone going to watch the games on tuesday.Because of work I'll be watching the Poole XI @ home at Cobham good chance to see some of the younger players
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