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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2020 15:20:44 GMT
All clubs need to be careful. I read that Tadley Calleva had to take a step back in terms of attendance a few weeks ago (along with shutting their clubhouse) for not adhering to their own rules. I was at the game that resulted in that ruling. It was the FA Cup tie against Truro City FC. Declared attendance 297, three short of the COVID-19 restricted capacity of 300, a record for the ground. The problem was a large number of young men clustered behind one goal and, in particular, at the corner nearest the turnstiles. Suspect many of them were youth team players and their mates, and not at all sure they were part of the declared gate. Several announcements made and ignored. Wessex League officials in attendance. Maximum gate consequently restricted to 150, which is likely to be more than enough for every other fixture this season. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2020 15:40:59 GMT
Well, I was very surprised on entering the ground to see so many people not wearing a face mask. So I asked a steward what were the regulations exactly. He didn’t have much of a grasp and referred me to another steward, who attempted to explain but then said he was just doing what he was told to do, and then referred me back to the first steward for enlightenment. After a while I was approached by a third steward (red and white PTFC tie) who asked me what was my problem with wearing a face mask. I said I don’t have a problem and had worn a mask on three different trains to get to Poole. We had a discussion but he was unable to explain the conditions where a mask should be worn, so I offered him a get-out clause where it says in the lengthy regulations that you will be asked to wear a mask during your visit, or words to that effect, but it seems there is no enforcement of said regulations by the stewards. He was happy to take that one but still thought I had a problem with wearing a mask. Truly not impressed, nothing to do with the score of the game. Not so much taking offense, as reaching out and crafting it out of a combination of thin air and pre-conceived grievance. Most people wanting to discuss mask-usage are those that don’t want to wear one, and I suspect our stewards misunderstood your concerns. I wear a mask myself at games, and distance myself from those that don’t, which is straightforward to do at Tatnam. Maybe you should have just worn your snorkel? |
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Post by tbtv on Oct 18, 2020 16:20:10 GMT
All clubs need to be careful. I read that Tadley Calleva had to take a step back in terms of attendance a few weeks ago (along with shutting their clubhouse) for not adhering to their own rules. I was at the game that resulted in that ruling. It was the FA Cup tie against Truro City FC. Declared attendance 297, three short of the COVID-19 restricted capacity of 300, a record for the ground. The problem was a large number of young men clustered behind one goal and, in particular, at the corner nearest the turnstiles. Suspect many of them were youth team players and their mates, and not at all sure they were part of the declared gate. Several announcements made and ignored. Wessex League officials in attendance. Maximum gate consequently restricted to 150, which is likely to be more than enough for every other fixture this season. The key point you make here is that announcements were made and ignored. Any club that is serious about maintaining their ability to welcome fans will do a lot more than just make a few announcements. I highly doubt Tadley’s normal gate number was a factor in their lack of action on the day, so don’t see how that’s relevant to this conversation. I’ve been to a fair few grounds in the last month or so, some filming, some not. Some clubs are taking their responsibility seriously, some are not. You’ve corroborated that there can be consequences, which should be lesson enough for any club at any level that box ticking on a risk assessment is not sufficient. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2020 16:25:28 GMT
I was at the game that resulted in that ruling. It was the FA Cup tie against Truro City FC. Declared attendance 297, three short of the COVID-19 restricted capacity of 300, a record for the ground. The problem was a large number of young men clustered behind one goal and, in particular, at the corner nearest the turnstiles. Suspect many of them were youth team players and their mates, and not at all sure they were part of the declared gate. Several announcements made and ignored. Wessex League officials in attendance. Maximum gate consequently restricted to 150, which is likely to be more than enough for every other fixture this season. The key point you make here is that announcements were made and ignored. Any club that is serious about maintaining their ability to welcome fans will do a lot more than just make a few announcements. I highly doubt Tadley’s normal gate number was a factor in their lack of action on the day, so don’t see how that’s relevant to this conversation. I’ve been to a fair few grounds in the last month or so, some filming, some not. Some clubs are taking their responsibility seriously, some are not. You’ve corroborated that there can be consequences, which should be lesson enough for any club at any level that box ticking on a risk assessment is not sufficient. My point about Tadley’s normal gate is that, in practice, the 150 max restriction has no impact. Any damage is already done, and I’m not sure what you expect club officials to do if supporters completely ignore instructions. Tadley were not box-ticking, they were just powerless in the face of mass wilful ignorance. |
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Post by tbtv on Oct 18, 2020 16:52:18 GMT
Just because sanctions happened at a club where it wouldn’t/didn’t matter, all clubs should be aware of what could happen to them. They need to be prepared to take action against anyone who simply refuses not to adhere to social distancing - I can’t see “we asked nicely 5 times over the tannoy” being much of a defence.
Mask wearing is difficult due to the health issues which means some are exempt. Inevitably, this leaves it wide open for abuse by others who have no such need.
I don’t know an acceptable answer to that one other than no mask/no entry. Yes, that discriminates against those who have a valid reason not to wear a mask when moving around the stadium, but it makes it a lot easier for stewards to manage the situation as they will know that there are no exemptions present.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2020 17:06:21 GMT
Just because sanctions happened at a club where it wouldn’t/didn’t matter, all clubs should be aware of what could happen to them. They need to be prepared to take action against anyone who simply refuses not to adhere to social distancing - I can’t see “we asked nicely 5 times over the tannoy” being much of a defence. Mask wearing is difficult due to the health issues which means some are exempt. Inevitably, this leaves it wide open for abuse by others who have no such need. I don’t know an acceptable answer to that one other than no mask/no entry. Yes, that discriminates against those who have a valid reason not to wear a mask when moving around the stadium, but it makes it a lot easier for stewards to manage the situation as they will know that there are no exemptions present. Fair enough - I’m sure you will take the Wimborne Town FC off-field management to task if your filming reveals similar supporter breaches at their home games. And your ‘no mask no entry’ suggestion is in breach of disabilty rights legislation - making things easier for stewards to manage is not even close to being a justification. |
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Post by Choirboy Dave on Oct 18, 2020 17:09:43 GMT
So does this mean people with medical conditions which means they can't wear mask aren't allowed to attend matches at Tatnam?
The same people who were earlier this year ordered to self isolate for 12 weeks. I suspect, but don't know, also none of my business, this includes some of our older fans, who from the mid 1990s to the early 2000s kept the club alive. I am sure even though they can't wear a mask they are the ones maintaining social distancing correctly.
So let's not become mask intolerant. We are better than that & accept some people can't wear masks as this would kill them just as stone dead as the virus would.
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Post by tbtv on Oct 18, 2020 18:14:49 GMT
There’s really no need to have a pop at me. I’m merely pointing out that ticking a box and shrugging shoulders is unlikely to serve as a great defence for any club who finds themselves in the same boat as Tadley - I’m not sure what there is to disagree with there. I also don’t need a lecture on those who are unable to get to see a game - why do you think I do what I do if it’s not to bring the game to the people, when the people can’t get to the game?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2020 19:11:16 GMT
There’s really no need to have a pop at me. I’m merely pointing out that ticking a box and shrugging shoulders is unlikely to serve as a great defence for any club who finds themselves in the same boat as Tadley - I’m not sure what there is to disagree with there. I also don’t need a lecture on those who are unable to get to see a game - why do you think I do what I do if it’s not to bring the game to the people, when the people can’t get to the game? You are implying that box-ticking and shrugging shoulders is what Poole Town FC are doing. That is ‘having a go’, which unlike you and Dessie, I think there is no need for. |
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Post by Choirboy Dave on Oct 18, 2020 19:15:37 GMT
There’s really no need to have a pop at me. I’m merely pointing out that ticking a box and shrugging shoulders is unlikely to serve as a great defence for any club who finds themselves in the same boat as Tadley - I’m not sure what there is to disagree with there. I also don’t need a lecture on those who are unable to get to see a game - why do you think I do what I do if it’s not to bring the game to the people, when the people can’t get to the game? I will never have a go at you. Can only apologise. Wish you were still filming at Tatnam. You are the visual equal of Ben Burgess and always looked forward to seeing what you produced, especially if there were controversial incidents. Pity Poole Town don't want to use your expertise anymore. Sadly because of my club's attitude to you now footage of yesterday's match exists. Good luck to you & all you hope to achieve. |
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Post by tbtv on Oct 18, 2020 19:21:06 GMT
There’s really no need to have a pop at me. I’m merely pointing out that ticking a box and shrugging shoulders is unlikely to serve as a great defence for any club who finds themselves in the same boat as Tadley - I’m not sure what there is to disagree with there. I also don’t need a lecture on those who are unable to get to see a game - why do you think I do what I do if it’s not to bring the game to the people, when the people can’t get to the game? I will never have a go at you. Can only apologise. Wish you were still filming at Tatnam. You are the visual equal of Ben Burgess and always looked forward to seeing what you produced, especially if there were controv No, I’m not. Re-read it. I’ve said “any” club, literally meaning any club. I’ve no affiliation for, or against, any club in particular. Appreciate that’s difficult to understand in a world where we are forced to pick a side. |
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Post by tbtv on Oct 18, 2020 19:23:11 GMT
There’s really no need to have a pop at me. I’m merely pointing out that ticking a box and shrugging shoulders is unlikely to serve as a great defence for any club who finds themselves in the same boat as Tadley - I’m not sure what there is to disagree with there. I also don’t need a lecture on those who are unable to get to see a game - why do you think I do what I do if it’s not to bring the game to the people, when the people can’t get to the game? I will never have a go at you. Can only apologise. Wish you were still filming at Tatnam. You are the visual equal of Ben Burgess and always looked forward to seeing what you produced, especially if there were controversial incidents. Pity Poole Town don't want to use your expertise anymore. Sadly because of my club's attitude to you now footage of yesterday's match exists. Good luck to you & all you hope to achieve. No need for an apology Dave 👍 |
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Post by benburgess39 on Oct 18, 2020 19:38:33 GMT
In regards to the face mask wearing and the initial comment from the Hendon supporter, ahead of the game I overheard who I believe to be the Hendon manager’s missus openly state that she refuses to wear a mask for any longer than three minutes and at no point did I see any of her party wear one at any point. To add to that, Sam Corcoran the player sent off for Hendon also came and sat in the stand maskless. Ultimately I’m not saying anyone is more wrong than the other but there’s only so much you can do as stewards when the numbers are so far against you. My personal experience was that I forgot my mask yesterday, the club provided a full pack of them on the gate and for each game I’ve been advised on when to wear it. Think the whole process is a learning curve for all and without being biased I feel Poole have done just as good if not a better job than other clubs I’ve been to in terms of sticking to the guidelines.
On a side note, thank you Dave for your kind words above 👍🏻
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Post by dessie on Oct 18, 2020 23:33:40 GMT
Final word from me on this. It’s nothing to do with personal preferences either in favour of or against face coverings. Hendon FC were informed that face coverings would be required within the ground under the club’s COVID regulations. So we (club officials and supporters) were surprised to see this was not the case when we arrived. As per my previous post, the stewards I spoke to were not familiar with the lengthy regulations on the PTFC website. I’m still waiting for Pippa or someone in authority to explain why this should be.
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Post by finleypip54 on Oct 19, 2020 14:57:47 GMT
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Just a response to your comment Not wearing Mask!!
The head of Security is the Safety officer and he was wearing a face covering.
If you mean the Security searching bags on entry, he is exempt from wearing one due to health reason.
And the Head steward is also exempt but carries one so if he needs to speak to someone face to face, up close, he wears it for that time to give protection for both.
I believe the wearing of face coverings in our area is not mandatory law in open spaces at the moment and I feel it is not humanly fare to exclude fans from our ground who don't wear one. There still needs to be total groups of six and spaced out when able.
That said the club have stated in their policy they will ask fans to wear a covering but nowhere in the policy it says mandatory which they do on arrival at the gate in. After that the announcer will mention it again through the course of the match with other advisory points. It is good practise as a club to promote the wearing of face covering etc to show that we care and you never know, mandatory law wearing of coverings might come in one day. The club have spent a huge amount of time and money behind the scenes trying to implement such policies so we can again start enjoying much needed football at The Blackgold. I am looking forward to travelling to away games this season and seeing what guidelines are broadcasted and implemented at other grounds so as a club we can improve if, or where is needed.
Generally I only seem to read negatives on this forum !! but I guess if everyone posted the positives, which I am sure there are, we wouldn't have time to read them all.
All the staff/board and stewards are nice friendly people and are always happy to be approached and asked questions. If they can not answer straight away I am sure they will go and find out and get back to you.
I would like to finish on the pitch Saturday we all watched in our standard this season a below par performance but still managed 3pts against Hendon this to me says we have this season what it takes to get us promoted to the league we should be in and then who knows.
Keep the faith COYDS!!
Thanks from a Poole Fan...............................
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Post by finleypip54 on Oct 19, 2020 15:01:11 GMT
DESSIE .I believe the wearing of face coverings in our area is not mandatory law in open spaces at the moment and I feel it is not humanly fare to exclude fans from our ground who don't wear one. There still needs to be total groups of six and spaced out when able.
That said the club have stated in their policy they will ask fans to wear a covering but nowhere in the policy it says mandatory which they do on arrival at the gate in. After that the announcer will mention it again through the course of the match with other advisory points. It is good practise as a club to promote the wearing of face covering etc to show that we care and you never know, mandatory law wearing of coverings might come in one day. The club have spent a huge amount of time and money behind the scenes trying to implement such policies so we can again start enjoying much needed football at The Blackgold. I am looking forward to travelling to away games this season and seeing what guidelines are broadcasted and implemented at other grounds so as a club we can improve if, or where is needed.
Generally I only seem to read negatives on this forum !! but I guess if everyone posted the positives, which I am sure there are, we wouldn't have time to read them all.
All the staff/board and stewards are nice friendly people and are always happy to be approached and asked questions. If they can not answer straight away I am sure they will go and find out and get back to you.
I would like to finish on the pitch Saturday we all watched in our standard this season a below par performance but still managed 3pts against Hendon this to me says we have this season what it takes to get us promoted to the league we should be in and then who knows.
And no snorkels required at the moment and we play on a school pitch mind the gap lol. Good luck with the rest of your season over and out.
Keep the faith COYDS!!
Thanks from a Poole Fan...............................
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