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Post by John Anderson on Feb 12, 2015 9:37:27 GMT
More soon
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Post by John Anderson on Feb 12, 2015 12:14:28 GMT
Firstly I should say again that I have no inside knowledge but I keep an eye on things and I am just putting together what I have discovered and some personal opinions. This is to be taken as a topic for discussion rather than what will, what could or what must happen.
I said in the post on the main forum that we need between £50,000-100,000 for the upgrades at Tatnam to allow conference South football. That is an estimate and it is unlikely to be less than £50,000 but could well be more than £100,000. So the next question is how do we raise the money.
Football clubs raise money in a number of different ways. Match day admission, sponsorship, advertising, food & drink sales, and course fundraising such as the pitch fund the player fund for specific courses.
Currently none of those can raise enough money to do the upgrade so where are the easy wins when it comes to increasing income? The real answer is there are no easy wins as if there were, the BoD would have already implemented them. However there are ways to increase income substantially.
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Post by John Anderson on Feb 12, 2015 12:22:32 GMT
Admission Charges
If we are promoted admission charges will rise. No one likes the idea but with teams like St Albans charging £15 adult it does seem inevitable,
However here is only so much money that can be made by admission charges. Too high and the attendance will be affected. For those on a fixed income, a rise of £2 may mean less spent on programmes. food and drink or even worse fewer or no visits to Tatnam. Remember £12 would be 100% increase since Wessex League days,
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Post by Choirboy Dave on Feb 12, 2015 13:53:32 GMT
Aren't there grants from the Football Ground Improvements Trust we can get? And tongue in cheek.... Also we of course have our share of the trickle down from the PL TV deal!
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Post by John Anderson on Feb 13, 2015 21:54:21 GMT
Aren't there grants from the Football Ground Improvements Trust we can get? And tongue in cheek.... Also we of course have our share of the trickle down from the PL TV deal! Yes Thera are grants for some things and these will meet up to 50% of the cost. The good news is that the maximum grant available goes up when you go up a league (not a division). So the grant for Conf South is higher than for Southern League but a grant is not guaranteed.
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Post by John Anderson on Feb 15, 2015 18:09:56 GMT
Attendences
If we look attendances and there are some interesting parallels with Gosport Borough. In their promotion year from the Southern League Division One South and West, Gosport averaged 280 (we averaged about 300).
In their first year in the southern Premier day conference off they averaged around 430. This year they are averaging 530 per game although the there are contributory factors that cannot be overlooked. More about that later.
In our promotion year from the Southern league division one South and West we averaged approximately 290 spectators per game.
These figures are very similar and suggest that in the first year of conference football we could expect an average of 400-450 spectators per game, growing to 500+ in year 2.
Gosport like Poole have noisy neighbours. Although separated by a stretch of water, Portsmouth is just a few miles from Gosport. This impacts on their potential gate as the Cherries do on ours.
However with the fall of Portsmouth in recent years, Gosport have undoubtedly pick up a few stragglers from Pompey. In our case, the Cherries rise and rise is affecting our gates and it may well be worse if Boscombe reach the League of Greed. In that case we may struggle to increase gates but then we may gain from ex Cherries asked to pay more for their season or match tickets.
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Post by John Anderson on Feb 15, 2015 20:56:01 GMT
Admission Prices
I am sure the BoD will be tempted to increase admission prices. Most Conf South clubs charge £12 for adult admission although some, like our "friends" at St Albans charge £15.
£12 would represent a 20% increase in prices but that would be a gamble. The current £10 adult price caused some comment when it was announced and a to £12 would be unpopular some may stop coming and that might offset and disgruntled Cherries fans, the question is whether the increase in support at £10 would equal or exceed the extra revenue at £12.
If we assume a current base of 350 then a 20% increase would be 420. However that assumes that there would be no net loss of support at £12.
Either way the extra gate money would be £400-500 per match and that would probably just pay for the higher playing budget needed at Step 2.
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Post by dubchek on Feb 21, 2015 23:50:01 GMT
Truro charged £11 adult ticket today.
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Post by expat on Feb 23, 2015 21:50:07 GMT
I think i just read on the BBC Football site the prices for the Bradford City vs Reading Cup tie,please correct me if i am wrong 15gbp adult sounds very reasonable as do the concession prices.Keep the pressure on the millionaires,tax contortionists(same thing??) and local business, PTFC will be bringing a lot of visitors to the Town..and lets worry about those admission prices when we are HOME and DRY as CHAMPIONS
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Post by Choirboy Dave on Feb 23, 2015 22:43:16 GMT
I think i just read on the BBC Football site the prices for the Bradford City vs Reading Cup tie,please correct me if i am wrong 15gbp adult sounds very reasonable as do the concession prices.Keep the pressure on the millionaires,tax contortionists(same thing??) and local business, PTFC will be bringing a lot of visitors to the Town..and lets worry about those admission prices when we are HOME and DRY as CHAMPIONS Yes they are. Bradford City normally charge £20 for a League One home match.
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Post by ethanevesmum on Feb 24, 2015 20:39:35 GMT
And Truro charged £11 and £3 for a child, our day out cost a fortune, lucky enough Steve made it back on the £1.49 a pint!!!!
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Post by John Anderson on Feb 25, 2015 8:15:29 GMT
The price charged seems to depend where in the pyramid the team has come from. St Albans, Truro and others that charged £11/12 were formerly Conference South teams and even with relegation prices rarely go down.
St Albans now charge £15 per adult but still make a loss. Proving that football clubs are worse than the energy companies.
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Post by John Anderson on Apr 23, 2015 10:24:25 GMT
I am sorry that it has been a long time since I started this thread but a lot of has gone on recently.
Most clubs have the same income streams as as Poole with one exception. The clubhouse.
If we take Sutton Utd as an example, I'm 2011/2012 season their turnover from all football related activities was almost the same as their Clubhouse. However the clubhouse, unlike the football side made a £30,000 profit. The Sutton Clubhouse is open 7 days a week with Quizzes, Live Music, Bingo, Race Nights, each raising more money for the club.
So long as the planning restrictions limit opening to two hours before & two hours after the game, Of course match day business is vital but only s small part of what it could be with a normal licence.
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Post by Choirboy Dave on Apr 23, 2015 10:59:24 GMT
& of course 2 hours after the final whistle on Saturday, what ever the result. We can of course go elsewhere to continue the party but Poole Town won't get the benefit financially from this. Also unless we are in the play offs (I hope not) the bar won't reopen until the 1st home psf. This is due to restrictions imposed on us by the wallers at Poole Town Hall not because this is the way the club wants to trade of course.
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