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Post by John Anderson on Mar 26, 2010 0:27:00 GMT
I know nothing more than what the CD has said and it is to hs credit that he was as frank as he was. The following comments are my opinions and I stand to be corrected. As I understand it, with regards to Canford Park Arena, as regulation stand at the moment, it would need to be fit for inspection before 31st March next year. If it is to be used in the 2011/2012 season. This would apply to any new ground, whether we are going for promotion, or not. The only variable would be what grade we were applying for. The CD said that there was no chance of using CPA next year. Theoretically the ground could be graded even if the pitch were barely laid. Ground Grading is about the safety and quality of the facilities, not the pitch. There is one caveat to this statement. The pitch has to be level IF a new pitch is being created rather than being re-laid. The infamous slope rule that allows existing pitches to resemble the face of Ben Nevis, means that Wimborne's pitch can stay as is, as long as they do not change it substantially (yes I had to read it twice and I wrote it). My opinion is that there will be no official games at CPA or any alternative new ground until season 2011/2012 at the earliest. It may even be the following season 2012/2013 before any new build ground is ready for a complete season. The delays would not be caused by the BOD but planning applications could be difficult. We are all aware that wherever you want to build a new football ground, the locals object. You can be sure that the good burgers of Canford Magna will already be planning their campaign, probably from the 19th Hole at the Golf Club Opposite (almost opposite). So for the next few month I will be - watching some good football
- supping some fine Dorset Ale
- eating some fine Dorset Cheese
and delighting in a win at Cuthbury that will scuper all hopes of undeserved promotion. All this whilst waiting for news from the BOD of progress AND how we can help in ways other than transferring all our income to the club via the CDs cunning schemes. Finally reading Mike Avery's site he states that clubs usually find their natural level based on their support. At current levels of support, we should rise to Step 3, The Southern League Premier. That the BOD are planning for further than that is good news. Keep the faith!
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Post by dorsetyellow on Mar 26, 2010 8:58:17 GMT
Logged in as DY so speaking as a fan:
If we did get a new ground and rise two levels, my belief is that the crowds would rise. Of course, we might lose some fans who don't want to move, but we will gain new ones perhaps in bearcross who do not come to Tatnam. If we find ourselves established as a SLP side with crowds of 500, why not push for BS South? Weymouth, Dorchester and Eastleigh have survived for a while there (accepting Weymouth will drop one more division, but i believe they will be back). If in 5-10 years time from a football position it is possible, then so will the ground be ready. In truth Branksome Rec might have held us back at that point.
Now back to Tatnam - Accepting that there is nothing we can do this season to ensure grading, we have to consider another year of WPL at Tatnam. Some changes to the compound area are being considered to improve the facilities that we already have. This will require assistance once the plans are complete. More later.
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Post by sterteroad on Mar 26, 2010 9:51:59 GMT
Logged in as DY so speaking as a fan: If we did get a new ground and rise two levels, my belief is that the crowds would rise. Of course, we might lose some fans who don't want to move, but we will gain new ones perhaps in bearcross who do not come to Tatnam. If we find ourselves established as a SLP side with crowds of 500, why not push for BS South? Weymouth, Dorchester and Eastleigh have survived for a while there (accepting Weymouth will drop one more division, but i believe they will be back). If in 5-10 years time from a football position it is possible, then so will the ground be ready. In truth Branksome Rec might have held us back at that point. Now back to Tatnam - Accepting that there is nothing we can do this season to ensure grading, we have to consider another year of WPL at Tatnam. Some changes to the compound area are being considered to improve the facilities that we already have. This will require assistance once the plans are complete. More later. Agree with everything said above. As ever Mark, I'm willing to help the Club in whatever way I can :-)
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Post by outsider on Mar 26, 2010 11:10:27 GMT
Just a thought, but if Wimborne are promoted this season, Poole will find it easier next season to win the title and make it two Dorset teams in the Southern League S & W.
So, shouldn't everyone on here be hoping that they go up?? (I can understand it if that's too much to ask!) ;D
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Post by sterteroad on Mar 26, 2010 11:40:03 GMT
Just a thought, but if Wimborne are promoted this season, Poole will find it easier next season to win the title and make it two Dorset teams in the Southern League S & W. So, shouldn't everyone on here be hoping that they go up?? (I can understand it if that's too much to ask!) ;D Would rather invite the Taleban around for dinner. Also, do Whingebore's finances have to be in order, for promotion?
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Post by expat on Mar 26, 2010 11:52:39 GMT
;D ;D ;D
I'm afraid that we are going to take a lot of stick from north of the Stour for the next couple of months. The only advantage i see to us at the moment is that perhaps we can have a joint BOD/supporters club study into exactly where we should locate our new home..CA isn't written in stone is it??
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Post by sterteroad on Mar 26, 2010 12:07:52 GMT
;D ;D ;D I'm afraid that we are going to take a lot of stick from north of the Stour for the next couple of months. The only advantage i see to us at the moment is that perhaps we can have a joint BOD/supporters club study into exactly where we should locate our new home..CA isn't written in stone is it?? Expat, where else is left in the Borough? The BOD have, I believe, exhausted every option, unless there's somewhere hidden away, or we have a multi-millionaire in the wings?
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Post by Commercial Director on Mar 26, 2010 12:12:29 GMT
Expat - Nothing is written in stone, but all other possibilites in the Borough have been explored and eliminated as part of an exercise that we were asked to undertake. If you own a strip of land in Poole that you have not yet told us about, then now is the time! Otherwise it is CPA and SL or Tatnam and WPL.
We hope to call a supporters meeting in the next few weeks where these issues can be discussed openly.
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Post by expat on Mar 26, 2010 12:15:46 GMT
;D ;D ;D
just been on the Poole regeneration site as someone mentioned the old Poole Power station site. Is this not where the new bridge is going across. As i read it the Town must have acquired the lands for this project. I know I'm dreaming but the Twin Sails Stadium sounds good doesn't it!!
UP THE TOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOWN!!
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Post by John Anderson on Mar 26, 2010 12:31:13 GMT
Re. Wimborne, See ya wouldn't wanna be ya.
They owe the taxman a lot, their ground is only graded at E and that grading expires 31st March 2011, the same date that they would need to reach Grade D if promoted.
If they find the money for the taxman, will they find the same or more to improve their ground? I don't think so.
He who laughs last....
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Post by justafan on Mar 27, 2010 8:58:00 GMT
I'm not into knocking other clubs (eg Wimborne) and their problems. They also have really good long term genuine fans who deserve the best their club can provide. (for those who were around, remember what it was like and how it felt when we were kicked out of the stadium) By all means lets have the inter club banter but about the football played not the plight caused by the board. Again, remember what it can feel like when, as a real fan, your club suffers. If Wimborne get promoted before us, then so be it. Where is it written that Poole Town have any greater call on promotion than any one else? I would love to see both clubs in higher leagues if only for the fact that gate money would be a godsend to both clubs when derby games are played. Just my thoughts.
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Post by John Anderson on Mar 27, 2010 9:27:01 GMT
I'm not into knocking other clubs (eg Wimborne) and their problems. They also have really good long term genuine fans who deserve the best their club can provide. (for those who were around, remember what it was like and how it felt when we were kicked out of the stadium) By all means lets have the inter club banter but about the football played not the plight caused by the board. Again, remember what it can feel like when, as a real fan, your club suffers. If Wimborne get promoted before us, then so be it. Where is it written that Poole Town have any greater call on promotion than any one else? I would love to see both clubs in higher leagues if only for the fact that gate money would be a godsend to both clubs when derby games are played. Just my thoughts. Valid thoughts indeed and in hindsight maybe my first and last lines were a little unfair. I have no particular gripe against Wimborne per se except that, perhaps they will take a promotion place that I/we feel is rightfully ours. So why do I not feel the same way about VT FC? I'm not sure but maybe it feels like your brother, best friend (or team mate) going out with your ex girlfriend. Back to the facts we have no "right" to promotion. If we miss out it is because we did not adhere to one or more of the rules. For the younger ones amongst us it may be worth looking at why the rules are there. I will put that in the next post as my posts are too long and boring (well someone had to say it).
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Post by expat on Mar 27, 2010 12:16:03 GMT
;D ;D ;D
Dear FA Master of Ceremonies
Please do NOT send me any invitations. to the Promotion Ball for at least the next 4 seasons. Athough my trophy sideboard will be overloaded and all my friends(and enemies) will have moved on I just cannot afford a new dress or the taxi fare. My wicked grandfather Leverett and his friends will not give me any help of any sort so I'm stuck here. Please say hello to my old friends Weymouth, Dorchester, Salisbury and now big old friend Yeovil, and further down the list AFC Totton, VTFC, Andover and Bashley (pop c500) I will be going to Hayling and Blackfield again for a break again next year. If anyone you know has `a magic wand please have them use it and keep an eye on those darn magpies flying in the back window any minute now!! ! will write next year if my situation improves
Yours forever
Cinders from Tatnam Farm
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Post by slepe12 on Mar 27, 2010 12:40:35 GMT
;D ;D ;D Dear FA Master of Ceremonies Please do NOT send me any invitations. to the Promotion Ball for at least the next 4 seasons. Athough my trophy sideboard will be overloaded and all my friends(and enemies) will have moved on I just cannot afford a new dress or the taxi fare. My wicked grandfather Leverett and his friends will not give me any help of any sort so I'm stuck here. Please say hello to my old friends Weymouth, Dorchester, Salisbury and now big old friend Yeovil, and further down the list AFC Totton, VTFC, Andover and Bashley (pop c500) I will be going to Hayling and Blackfield again for a break again next year. If anyone you know has `a magic wand please have them use it and keep an eye on those darn magpies flying in the back window any minute now!! ! will write next year if my situation improves Yours forever Cinders from Tatnam Farm Very creative Expat..............if a little dark There's a danger of getting drawn into negative thoughts, when it's important to keep focused on the ultimate goal. Disappointment is natural, but not terminal.
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Post by John Anderson on Mar 27, 2010 13:54:18 GMT
I feel your hurt Cinders... unfortunately this is no slipper.
Slepe is right. The only way is up!
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Post by expat on Mar 27, 2010 14:19:15 GMT
;D ;D ;D i'm early again!!! when do your clocks go forward??
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Post by John Anderson on Mar 27, 2010 14:20:36 GMT
Boring post part 2
Ground Grading came in in he 1990s after three major events that cause dthe deaths of hundreds of fans:
The Bradford City Fire The Heysal Stadium Disaster The Hillsborough Disaster
As a result of these a report was commissioned, the Taylor report, that described minimum standards for safety at sports stadia.
All 92 Football League Clubs (it was pre Premier League) were told to improve their grounds. In addition the promoted team from the Conference was required to meet the new standards by the end of March in the Promotion year.
No grading = no promotion.
In 1995/96, Stevenage Borough spent heavily on its squad to ensure promotion. They won the Conference but were not promoted despite promises that they would have a league standard ground by June 1996.
The process of ground grading is now tricking down the leagues. Next Episode - What does this mean to the WPL sides?
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Post by Bay Dolphin on Mar 27, 2010 15:38:29 GMT
Look forward to the next chapter John. As I aksed elsewhere - is 'Jon Anderson' the writer Jon Lee Anderson?
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Post by parky on Mar 27, 2010 16:15:17 GMT
Expat ,the old power station site is in Hamworthy ,we all remember what happened last time we played over in 'the dark side'.
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Post by slepe12 on Mar 27, 2010 16:20:49 GMT
Goal! 3-2 to Poole. They scored with a header!! We have made life difficult now 63 minutes gone
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Post by slepe12 on Mar 27, 2010 16:23:18 GMT
Substitution 65 minutes Sturgess on for Preston.
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Post by expat on Mar 27, 2010 16:25:59 GMT
;D ;D ;D
we need another goal...and great defending
COYD
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Post by parky on Mar 27, 2010 16:28:20 GMT
Slepe you're confusing me,you're posting on the wrong thread !
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Post by peterlep on Mar 27, 2010 18:32:40 GMT
I am conscious that I started this thread on a specific question on the pitch but it has gathered momentum to cover the whole ground issue.
I think this has had some excellent posts. I think we are all very clear where Poole is at and I am now very clear that the pitch seems to be of secondary concern for grading which is interesting.
Thanks to all for the informative contributions.
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Post by John Anderson on Apr 17, 2010 12:18:29 GMT
"I think we all have to accept that yet again, the council has not helped our cause (yes I am choosing my words carefully). We now have to look at how we, as individuals and organised supporters, interact with our elected representatives. I for one will be asking, in writing about their views on the current situation. I will post my letter on the forum later for anyone to use as a template if they so desire." I think this is a great idea, will be interesting for us all to see what our politicians have to say, and will those who promised support post "Wreck" live up to their promises of support? One of my local councillors abruptly changed the subject when I broached it recently. Just to let you know that I have sent my email to all the councilors and have had responses from some. Ironically all the Lib Dems, bar one, have replied in detail. The Conservatives have either declined to comment as they are on the planning committee (this is reasonable, see below*) or have responsded that Councilor Leverett will respond on behalf of the Conservative Group as a whole. So far, after close to 3 weeks, I have not had a response from Cllr Leverett. As these things always do, the responses and my subsequent enquiries have uncovered more questions. One thing is for sure, I do not wish to hinder the BOD in any way with their negotiations with either landowners or the local authorities. As a result I will not be publishing all the correspondence on the forum. However I will answer any questions as well as I can and will happily be corrected by any of the BOD if they feel I have got anything wrong. Even condensing the issues as far as I can will involve long posts so I will keep them short. I will also post them in a new thread called "Breaking New Ground" Now over to the new post. *If anyone on the Planning Committee comments on a likely planning application before it has been officially submitted and considered, it may be overturned or delayed considerably.
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