i have been a poole town supporter for many years and would love to see the dolphins go up to the next step,what i dont understand is wy are the BOD pursuing ground sharing and linning our neighbours pockets with our hard earned money.lets win the wessex league 4 a 3rd time and put the money into canford arena not line wimbornes and hamworthys pockets
I am not speaking for the BOD but I will try to explainM
To get promotion from Step 5 you need to have a ground grade at a mimimum of Grade E Tatnum cannot be brought up to spec and the new stadium will not be ready ( or even started) by the cut off date of March 31.
Our only option if we want promotion this year is to have a groundshare arrangerment until the new stadium is finished. I hope that helps.
Post by Commercial Director on Dec 14, 2010 21:32:43 GMT
Now perhaps this thread could be used for some serious debate. As slepe says the remaining possibilities are not what you would call "local". Certainly not in the Borough of Poole. I am optimistic that Bearwood is a "when" rather than an "if" - Just my opinion! So what would the majority prefer? Assuming that the project is progressing, would you prefer:
1. Stay at Tatnam and win the League for a FOURTH time in succession 2. Accept a grounshare and travel for home games to see SL football next season.
If your answer is 2 - Then please also state if you would be prepared to Purchase a Season ticket in advance? You can select 2 and say NO, I would like to get a feel for how many people would be prepared to back the club financially if we did take that step, or if the majority would prefer to stay at Tatnam and wait for the new ground.
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Put me down for a definite 2 What are the recurring themes on this site??? Poor refereeing:The limitations at Tatnam: Revolving door players We know, as do other clubs that WE BELONG and deserve to compete at a higher level. Personally I would have liked our new home to be closer to the Town Centre but in reality i think there are pros and cons on both sides. We are riding a growing swell of actual and virtual support and by going for the groundshare and promotion we will bring even more on to the bandwagon as we show them that we mean business BUILD IT AND THEY WILL COME TO SEE OUR SL TEAM
Post by Commercial Director on Dec 15, 2010 7:40:20 GMT
Expat - I appreciate your response, but with respect we could play in Glasgow and it would be the same for you, you will still get your SL football on your PC wherever we play. The issue is -are fans prepared to travel a few miles to continue following us? Those that say they are, would they be willing to comit to a season ticket early?
I presume from your response, you are prepared for us to take the costs associated with a groundshare and SL football with potentially reduced gates and reduced income, but not prepared to back us financially and buy a season ticket and share the burden with us?
I know that sounds ridiculous when you are living in Canada, but I am trying to emphasise that PROMOTION will come at considerable cost. Those that are not paying that cost seem to want it regardless. The question about you buying a season ticket is serious though. Would YOU be prepared to pay for SL football next season?
I am hoping that many more than Expat will respond to this question. Show us how much SL football means for you!
I would like to see you progress - And of a temp ground share is the only way then do it.. Would be a shame to see the team held back again... So how quickly could the Bearwood facility be up and running ?
Post by John Anderson on Dec 15, 2010 10:15:56 GMT
CD. Firstly I would like to buy my season ticket in advance but could not afford to pay the whole thing in one go at the moment. Perhaps we could have some way of having "easy" payments.
One worry here though is that we cannot afford to spend next year's income this year. In addition there are only 36 ish Season ticket holders and that won't raise much more the 4,000 pounds, even at Southern League prices
I cannot see that anyone would want to win the league again and miss out on promotion. Promotion and relegation are as much a part of the game as Corners, Freekicks and Goals.
Our goal is promotion, not at any cost, but if at all possible. So if we have to groundshare then so be it.
I think that there may be some that just enjoy a game at Tatnam and some who truly support the club wherever in the Borough they move. We will lose some support at Bearwood and at a groundshare simply because many cannot get to matches. We have to develop coping mechanisms for this. A car sharing scheme may be one answer even if some don't have cars.
Finally I am sure that we all share Expat's frustration at the current situations. We must all keep the faith though. We know that much is going on behind the scenes to secure both a groundshare and a new stadium. Now its up to us to support Tom and the boys. Let's win again and then take what is thrown at us. COYD.
Welcome TC. The land for the new stadium is right on the boundary of Canford Magna and Bearwood and is adjacent to the houses to the west of Bearwood. It has a BH11(Bearwood) postcode NOT a BH21 (Wimborne) as does CPA hence Bearwood.
Address: Land West of Bearwood/off Magna Road, Poole BH11 9NB
Phew, thanks John. It just wouldn't do to have a BH21 address and I was always a tad worried that "Canford" is seen as a toff area which would reflect negatively on the noble sport.
I will add my 2p worth that I am surprised at the lack of desire for local clubs to help PTFC out with a limited ground share arrangement, but then maybe I am being a bit naive? BTW WTFC next ground looks like being at Canford Bottom, as I giggle in a very immature way;-)
CD..you will find that when the time comes that those of us who cannot be there on a regular basis will give financial help..there is is a variety of ways that this can be done..shares. life memberships etc. Even in these financial times i think that given our record and history and a redoubling of our publicity efforts we will find support locally..and if we make it to the Vase final the whole country will know of our predicament..and I'm only half joking when`I`say that we need to focus on the affluent areas of our Borough for that elusive backer. Let's get after that new `councillor for old Poole, says he wants to keep business in the town...well, the success of the Town football team is a great identifierfor any locality I will put money where my loyalty lies!!!!!
Just to add my views on all this - and these are my own personal views - nothing to do with the website obviously!!!!
I watched Poole Town in the Southern League - it's where I've felt we always belonged at the very least. So I am as keen as anyone to see us regain Southern League status and push on from there.
Winning it 3 times in a row is a massive ask although I don't believe for one moment we won't win it. We simply won't drop the number of points for anyone to catch us and even if we did drop that many points it would need another team to win every game they have left. No other team is good enough to do that - end of story. They are all taking points of each other and I really do think we will win this league by far more points than the last 2 seasons. I see no evidence of any complacency in the squad - they seem as hungry now (if not more so) than at any time in last 3 years. Credit to Tom, Cussy and the players for that. I really can't describe how impressive this squad and mental strength etc is. So for me, we will win it this year again.
Do I want us to go up? Yes, of course. HOWEVER, the thought of ground sharing doesn't sit comfortably with me. When we trot out to play Southern League football again I want it to be in OUR home, not someone elses. Personally the fact that Hamworthy in particualar didn't work out is a BONUS. I actually think I'd rather wait for pormotion than share with them. All personal views I know and perhaps selfish ones but there we go!!
IF we have to groundshare and I know we must if we are to promote this season then yes of course I would buy a season ticket up front and would still travel wherever that is. If we had to go to Dorchester for example, yes it would be a pain, but I personally would do it (and I know I speak for Ron and Ken as well - we would all still go). So it would get my support.
However, the KEY thing for me is Bearwood. As long as we definitely get that new ground then that's the most important thing for me. (Again goes back to Arthur Robbins quote "we build a Club first and success on the field follows that"). And if that means waiting another year and staying at Tatnam in the Wessex for another season then I wouldn't personally have a problem with that. Yes we have to win it for a fourth time but there would be no bigger incentive than knowing the ground IS there for us - something which the players have not know for this and the last 3 campaigns.
The MAJOR problem I see with waiting another year is that we could well lose Tom, Cussy and a whole host of players if we don't go up this time. They have been patient (as we all have) beyond what could be reasonably expected and I don'tknow if another 'well just win it again next year' is going to cut it again come the summer. I would not blame any one of them for moving on if that was the case. And I do NOT want to see the squad we have now (including TK and Cussy) broken up because we can't go up. So for that reason mainly I would support groundshare. If we had a guarantee (which I know full well we can't have) that they would all stay for next season then I would be happy to stay at Tatnam for another year in the Wessex.
I would rather groundshare next year and watch the squad we have now if that's what we have to do to keep them together. They ARE that good.
Not sure if this answers your questions CD but it's my views anyway!
Last Edit: Dec 15, 2010 13:01:18 GMT by Steve Bean
Post by Heyshamdolphin on Dec 15, 2010 13:27:50 GMT
I remember the Southern League days too - the equivalent of Conference football then! I'm a definite 2 CD and I'm prepared to buy a season ticket and make a donation of whatever I can afford and come to whatever games I can manage from here.
Personally, however much i want to see us back in the SL, groundsharing just does not work ! Myself, & i will not speak for my Father here, will probably go to 'home' Saturday games if we do share, but wont travel for midweek games.
Very succinct and well reasoned argument Steve. I agree with everything you say and I speak for myself when I say that we would only want to groundshare if the Bearwood project was a rock solid option - otherwise it is back to a very well worn drawing board. If we weren't an ambitious Club then it wouldn't matter throwing all our resources at winning the League every year, but we must test ourselves at a higher level and we need a more comfortable home in which to enjoy our football.
Chris and I never thought we would have a 20 year search when we took over in 1991 but the supporters have stuck with us, and multiplied in that time, a testimony to how high we might aspire given the basic bedrock of a new home.
Post by John Anderson on Dec 15, 2010 14:55:45 GMT
Steve, A well considered piece and posting and all the more so as, being moderator, you post infrequently.
I think that you make a few excellent points which say some of the things that I have been thinking of late.
The main thing for the team is promotion. All the team, players and managers, have a relatively short career and I am sure want to pit themselves against higher league opposition. This is understandable and we have to be thankful of their loyalty so far.
The main thing for the club is to build a new home as this has held the club back so many times.
A groundshare is a compromise that will be expensive and drain resources from Project Bearwood but is needed for promotion.
So we are between a rock and two hard places and the only thing that we can all be sure of at this stage is that, wherever we are personally, we will support the club.
The only alternative, which has been ruled out, would be to try and lease the Stadium for a season. Incredible isn't it that a sports facility like that(yes i know its run down) supports dogs and motorcycles and no athletic sport!!! could someone point THAT out to our local councillors BTW couple of good results for us last night Brading lost at home and the County ground select drew with Christchurch. Yes, I'm up for a season ticket,maybe it could be given away each game to a local school
Post by Heyshamdolphin on Dec 15, 2010 16:37:48 GMT
Interesting expat! And you're right - good results for us again! Extraordinary that 13 of the 16 points that 3rd from bottom Hayling have got have come from away matches! Have Brading reached the end? We play them on Saturday!
Meanwhile, bring on Bearwood, ground share, whatever it takes to get us "up where we belong" !!
I'm a 2 but definitely concur with Steve's sentiments. Put me down for a season ticket, home or away.
Is it possible that the headmaster might be persuaded to change his mind if approached again?
A temporary stay at Tatnam would be the scenario that would appeal to most fans I would guess. Even if it's not the most financially astute solution, I would guess that the majority of us would be prepared to pay more to achieve it.
If it's got to be away, I'm up for car share with my 7 seater. It'll take a couple of herring-gutted buggers in the back ;D
I would really love to see us playing at a higher level again because lets all face it the players, management, BOD and us the supporters at PTFC are way above everything else in the Wessex League and we should be pitting our wits at a higher level. I know that some people would miss us playing in the WL because it would mean that they couldn't see as many matches but i guess there are the reserves too for your Saturday PTFC fix. I would rather travel a bit with dad to watch Southern League football than watch us play in another season in the WL, where lets be honest we should win the league this season by an even bigger margin. Having said all that i would not be able to purchase a season ticket as changes in my working hours might mean that i'm not able to make as many Southern League games as i'd like to!!!! I'd rather watch 20 SL games next season than 20 WL games though!!!!!!!
I am a 2 would buy an advanced season ticket.Luke was a very loyal player but his patience eventually ran out and he left to play for Bash at a higher level.Can we really blame any of our squad who would wish to do the same.I certainly would not.My great fear is watching my team struggling to get out of the Wessex next year at Tatnum/Bearwood, if we lose to many.We have to go up this year whatever it takes.